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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague before we get to

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this week's interview I wanted to share

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a really cool experience I had here in

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Los Angeles a few months ago I had the

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amazing opportunity to take part in a

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very cool panel discussion at the comedy

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venue Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre

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the panel was hosted by stand-up

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comedian Moshe kasher for his acclaimed

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podcast the home tall discussion series

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joining Moshe

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was Irish comedian Aisling be an

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oscar-nominated husband-and-wife duo

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Kumail Nanjiani and Emily feat Gordon

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the topic was UFOs naturally and along

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with these brilliant comedians I helped

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navigate the panel and the sold-out live

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audience through over 70 years of UFO

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history starting with a battle of Los

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Angeles of 1942 and working our way all

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the way up to the recent secret Pentagon

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UFO program with special permission by

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Moshe kasher he allowed me to share with

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you a small portion of our discussion

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that night I hope you enjoy so so

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Project Blue Book was shut down in 1969

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why did they shut it down because they

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decided there was no credible threat

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whether that was true or not they shut

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it down and they said oh did they find

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it enough to realize that that to start

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hiding it yeah the way I do want to say

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that the government secrecy around it I

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understand that and I support it what do

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you think that is I think if they were

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like oh we don't know this spacecraft

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coming and going we have no idea that

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would be horrible what do you think

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would happen in in a in a world where

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we're living in a reality that's

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terrifying on a daily basis it's like

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what would really happen if the

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governors like yeah there are UFOs it's

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all good that's now I'm saying like

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before that no I agree with that

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and I think that the era that these that

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these craft came out that's post-world

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War two ERA people were really paranoid

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about the end of the world nuclear

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weapons now we just accepted that it's

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definitely going to happen and it's

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so but it doesn't so it explains why

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they covered it up in the first place it

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doesn't explain why they continue to do

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so today if it is in fact a cover-up and

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they think the evidence shows that it is

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in fact a cover-up whether they're

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covering up their own technology or not

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we don't know but what what happened

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when they shut down Project Blue Book

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did they stop researching UFOs

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apparently that was their official

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statement on it a story came out you

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know maybe a month ago where we learned

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that that certainly was not the case

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what was that story so this happened

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about a month ago the New York Times

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came out with an article about a secret

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Pentagon program that had been going on

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for about five years where they were

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secretly investigating UFOs

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you mean the last five years there's

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been approach of program at the Pentagon

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from about 2000 yeah about 2008 or so

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did too now so a little longer than that

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did they discover anything you were

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talking about come on yeah it's really

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great yeah it was I mean for like

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ufologists who were screaming you know

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for vindication yes things are real and

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by the way to your point Moshe this

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story came out and exactly everybody's

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like what a dropped we yeah there's

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alien life here right now what about did

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he [\h__\h] stormy Daniels but do you think

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that that's why certain things take off

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because they kind of capture a mood like

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collectively where humans are more like

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bees like we all sort of are afraid of

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the same things at the same time whether

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it's terrorism or UFOs at the time or or

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mad cow disease or whatever it's gonna

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be we all get afraid it's same thing and

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it takes attention away from something

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else at the moment in the world aliens

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are the least of our [\h__\h] problems

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coming in common bombers are do

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something they're pretty better than

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what's going on nine but tell us they

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already do that absolutely eating of

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terrorism just real quick what's your

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favorite terror attack oh I dunno I mean

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the IRA had some real doozies

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I wasn't trying to distract from from

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what you were saying I was just saying

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in terms of it going quiet it's because

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the fear has been sort of pushed

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somewhere else

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so I'm not surprised there was no big

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like kind of like gauging the news about

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it because people are so overwhelmed by

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everything else that's going on but

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after the election and I stopped like a

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baby during that what was the Pentagon

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saw what did we learn from that so the

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head of the program his name was Lewis

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Elizondo he'd worked for the Department

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of Defense for a really long time he was

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it was Senator Harry Reid how do you

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read Harry Reid got the money to do what

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are you a hip hop man crazy guy it's a

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guy we know well that's what I kept

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coming to with this with the stuff that

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you said it was like like yes there are

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crazies out there that are like you know

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the saying that they were getting alien

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anal probes but a lot of the people that

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are cited in your book and in this

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documentary or like you know air force

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the general of the majors Air Force

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pilots Jerry Carter right Gerald Ford

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Harry Truman so what day Morris Day and

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the time life book pages missing I'm

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getting too old for this Harry Reid had

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hired this guy yeah he hired this guy

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and he got the funding to do this

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project because Harry Reid was very

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interested in the topic and so forth it

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was something like 22 million dollars

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which you know to me seems like a lot

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but in terms of like government funding

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it's nothing and I think that was the

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purpose was it was so lowly funded that

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it was you know under the radar so you

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know they could do this secretly and

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keep investigating UFOs so wasn't he

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involved with another guy who was like

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an entrepreneur yeah what's that

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so Harry Reid was directly involved with

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this guy is an entrepreneur he started I

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but the budget hotel suites so this

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strong interest in UFOs for many many

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years he is convinced that we've been

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were laid non-human and he had been

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any information that was going into this

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private citizen that's fine Pentagon

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inspection unit yeah was he legally

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a guy just passing it to him I see

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possession one of those sweets it's

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who's actually a male gigolo I don't

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coming out all right I see your

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disappointment you know what the joke is

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out there the joke and truth are out

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there and as you can tell it was a

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light-hearted conversation that took

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many turns throughout the night and more

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x-files quotes than you can possibly

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by Kumail Nanjiani which I appreciated

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but what I've really appreciated was how

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serious Moshe kasher was about this

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discussion toward the end of the night

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Moshe asked the audience if anyone had

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been convinced to believe in the UFO

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phenomenon or look further into it the

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response both surprised me and left me

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truly inspired but you'll have to hear

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the whole episode for that the Hound

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hall discussion series is available on

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all major podcast outlets and can also

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be streamed directly during the Nerdist

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website at nerdist.com just search for

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the hound dog discussion series my

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special thanks goes out to moshe for

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having me and for really doing his

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homework on this one it was an

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informative hilarious and even serious

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discussion i won't soon forget

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and now let's get to this week's

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there are few podcasts that really catch

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my attention as a rabid podcast consumer

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culmination of all these traits than you

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absolute honor and pleasure to have been

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talking all about UFOs and contact

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experiences jim's list of guests was

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Co and after a lengthy hiatus I was so

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excited to learn that you ferment was

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coming back bigger and better than ever

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so today we are going to talk all about

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the you ferment of the past what exactly

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Jim kept busy with during the hiatus and

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the all-new version of the show that is

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surely going to perk Samir's to the

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strange world around us so without

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further ado here is my conversation with

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Jim Perry Jim thanks so much for joining

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me today on somewhere in the skies man

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super excited to be here with you you're

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one of my closest friends within this

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community although we've never met we're

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very I feel spiritually connected into

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this realm and it's great to really have

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one of my first conversation since the

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relaunch with you I am so honored man

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and yes I agree like there's definitely

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a connection there mutual respect I've

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been following your work I'm a huge huge

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fan ever since we we reached out to each

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other and kind of bounced ideas off of

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one another and it's funny I remember

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one of the last times you and I spoke

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you were interviewing me from the

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outskirts of Tillamook Air Force Museum

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yeah yeah he were who you were

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investigating the airship flap of the

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1980s that's how dedicated you are to

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your work brother so we have so much to

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catch up on in terms of you from it what

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you been up to you and all that but

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before we dive into that you have to

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catch me up on this other amazing

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endeavor you've been tackling and that's

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de5 wrestling my god I was a huge

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wrestling fan growing up and when I saw

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you were doing this she's like how many

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hats does this guy wear so please tell

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me all about how this got started before

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we even get into the crux of the

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interview hear that that is awesome I'm

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glad you asked

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it's it's interesting because it's it's

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a its wrestling's very divisive right

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it's um you either like it or you don't

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kind of thing for a lot of folks and I

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and I think one of the reasons is that

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folks have like sort of a expectation

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that wrestling is the WWE or the WV

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right that is whole Kogan that it's

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Steve Austin whatever it is that's what

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it is and and and truly it isn't it's

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it's wrestling's just like music in the

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sense that there are all sorts of genres

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all sorts of tempos tones characters

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styles sami callihan is going one on one

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with Randy Myers the thigh wrestler you

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can check out coming soon to the global

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wrestling Network apps featuring some of

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the biggest names

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wrestling you know JB have you noticed

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the change in attitude of OBE of Dave

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and Jake Chris since the arrival of Sami

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Callihan these guys are more dangerous

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than ever before we love taking you

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around the world showing you [\h__\h] from

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all over the planet Callahan

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is a brawler he's a fighter and his

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single-handedly changed the landscape of

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the tag team division look at Myers

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needs to be careful this is what I love

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about impact like JB said each and every

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week you never know what you're gonna

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see defi is the biggest Pro Wrestling

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promotion in all of Washington State you

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get to see it here on impact for me what

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was interesting about launching defi was

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that in this area there was there was no

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one really doing these sort of punk-rock

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wrestling shows where there really

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actually you know there's wrestling sure

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but it's really a true like a true

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nightlife alternative the in particular

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for folks our age you know these are the

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same folks that one night they're gonna

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go and see a hip hop show you know the

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next they're gonna be at a bar the next

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they're not to say that this is my life

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because it's not way too busy yeah but

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you know and and then they're like going

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to the debut of Deadpool to the next

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night they're gonna go check out

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wrestling right so it's it's it's

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essentially a really built or on this

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aspect that's let's have a fun show

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let's create a really good experience

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and a good vibe and it's really paid off

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like defy has become one of them sort of

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the most well-known independent

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wrestling organizations now in the world

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at this point and we're working with

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some of the best talent and they're so

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fine that's such a great experience in

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such a great atmosphere that I I almost

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like can't believe I'm involved in it

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folks ting like look at more like defy

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wrestling calm we have everything up

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there but it's it's one of the reasons I

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had to step back from you from that it's

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not the exclusive reason but one of the

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reasons was I got into this other rabbit

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hole and it took me like completely for

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a ride in all sorts of different ways I

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can only imagine man yeah I mean just

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looking at the website I'm like this is

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super slick this is the kind of

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wrestling like I would I would go to you

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know we kind of we lived in that you

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know Golden Age Silver Age of WWE WCW

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ECW but like you said where you're

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located and what you guys are striving

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for that

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at defy seems very unique and that seems

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to be your bagman being unique you're

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doing things that maybe maybe there were

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predecessors before you that tried these

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things but they're not landing it like

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you are and I think that's what's most

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important and that's kind of what drew

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me to you from that as well but again

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like you said there was the hiatus if I

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came around wasn't the only reason that

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that you from that had to take a little

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break but you also did some other cool

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stuff while you were on break and that

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was attending the East Eddie ranch for

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those who may not know what you said he

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is i met the dude who owns the ranch a

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couple times he is a trip I'd love to

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hear about you you went there more than

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once right I did I've been there twice

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okay okay each of those experiences were

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pretty unique they were both during

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parts different parts of the year and so

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essentially he said he you you can keep

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anyone can camp there just like a this

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isn't sort of well-known but you can go

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online you can reserve your camp space

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just like a koa or whatever else and you

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know instead of hey there's a water park

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five miles down the street near this KOA

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like one of you comments like hey why

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don't you come and have some of the most

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unbelievable you know aerial phone

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phenomena take place in front of your

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eyes whatever whatever is in the middle

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of my camera is moving see it I got

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right in the middle now I'll pop that's

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weird cuz we can't see it with the naked

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eye there that's one that horny girl

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it's like a ball see I'm holding the

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camera still and it's moving from my

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right to my left well whatever that is

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oh right there there it is yep and in

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fact like I can confirm that that's

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that's essentially what happened what

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while being there there was there was

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each time I was there

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unbelievable lights and phenomenon that

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happens in that field looking up towards

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Mount Adams things that I

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can't explain things that were not

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satellites things that were not planes

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or they drones maybe I don't know but

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whatever it was whatever these things

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were whatever these lights were very

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very alarming and for whatever reason

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that space is special you know I have

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like like many of us I'm sure you're the

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same way right and you know we make it a

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point to look up all the time right a

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lot of people forget about that but

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we're looking up we're like what's the

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what's up there am I gonna see something

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is tonight the night and mine it'll be

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lucky I think there's a part of us that

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even if we do or do not believe we like

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the idea of that and we're looking for

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that connection perhaps right but

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there's those places where you don't see

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anything you know this is what it is uh

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I tweaked ins ago I was in Joshua Tree

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and we were we were there at night me

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and my assistant producer Tyler were

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just some up on the top of his car and

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looking up just seeing if we could you

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know hey here we are you know there are

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we gonna experience anything we weren't

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looking but we're just trying to like

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let it all in especially in the

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environment and nothing you know this is

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just a night where there was nothing

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there and that's fine and that's typical

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those almost anywhere he said he is

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different he said you go there and you

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tell yourself well okay well I heard the

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stories I'm not gonna try to build it up

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I'm gonna have this little expectations

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as possible because I don't want to be

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just completely disappointed and you go

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there and then it exceeds your

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expectations you see the lights you have

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those experiences and both times that

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happens and what where exactly is this

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located so it's it's located about five

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miles outside of Trout Lake Washington

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which is fairly close to the Columbia

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River and the Columbia River Gorge it's

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on the eastern side of Washington State

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and it's essentially towards the

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foothills of Mount Adams which is this

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you know volcanic be homuth the kind of

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really places at stake high in the

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skyline and the experience there and so

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you're you know surrounded by trees or

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by forest surrounded by this really

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majestic volcanic mountain and the the

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places itself geographically aside from

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any sort of supernatural or anomalous

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activity is absolutely stunning

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it already does such a good job of

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putting you into a state of kind of

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empathy towards your surroundings

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I would suppose some would say maybe it

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raises your vibration perhaps you know

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just in terms of your perspective of

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where you're at in the world and you're

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relatively small sighs yeah that's a

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good point man I think like you know

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just being in that atmosphere and

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feeling that around you it has to have

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some sort of influence on your

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perception of the phenomena that may be

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occurring there what it is I'm sure we

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will never know it reminds me a lot of

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the the Heseltine lights that we hear

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about I'm telling you man Washington the

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birthplace of flying saucers there's got

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to be something to that and that's so

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cool I mean just experiencing that what

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what the both times what did it make you

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feel I always have to ask witnesses who

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experienced UFO phenomena aerial

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anomalies what what would you say was

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like kind of the the gut reaction to

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experiencing these things it made me

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changed my perspective on like our

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reality in a way and I think that was

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also informed and influenced by new

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format in itself so going there as as a

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podcast host and and someone that was

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very deep into researching these topics

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and and essentially kind of Louvre it

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losing himself in these conversations

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with these folks in this never-ending

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rabbit hole whether it be on the

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mystical tip or you know aliens is

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technology ambassadors or what have you

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you know this this paranormal this

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esoteric this occult [\h__\h] just keeps

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going and going and going and a guy can

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kind of especially if it's in the right

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time of the person's while

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a person can essentially kind of spin

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out and we hear that right we hear

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people that are kind of sinking or they

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get into this stuff and then there's

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that spin out moment where they're like

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oh okay like there's a paradigm shift I

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think and it sort of affects you in a

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bunch of different ways for me it was

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like hey I got it I could have changed

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my life like this this like sort of

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high-pressure atmosphere that I put

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myself under other people to do work for

520
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them it's not working out well that's

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like now my calling and also like I'm

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I'm kind of like digging dangerously

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close into things that I don't have

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enough sort of respect and

525
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responsibility didn't know about mmm was

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my feeling and so when I saw all this

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stuff like actually manifest itself all

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the stuff that I've been reading about

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and watching TV shows and listening to

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our Bell about four years when I finally

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started to see these lights and have

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these sort of very you know there are

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other experiences while they're there

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were very sort of spiritual in nature

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and I'm not really a spiritual kind of

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guy but they they sort of changed my

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perspective on life and they made me

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take a step back and I think a part of

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that like I'm just putting these pieces

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together now I've never thought about it

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in this way but I think that influenced

542
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:06,200
me stopping you from it at that time to

543
00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:08,690
there like as soon as those experiences

544
00:23:12,430 --> 00:23:09,190
happened

545
00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:12,440
that's when sort of the work stopped on

546
00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:15,860
that and it's certainly confided with

547
00:23:19,660 --> 00:23:18,140
some other things going on the pursuit

548
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:19,670
of launching defy and some of these

549
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,650
other things but essentially that's

550
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:24,559
where I almost I feel subconsciously had

551
00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:27,890
to change my gears just to ground myself

552
00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:30,440
in reality again after kind of having my

553
00:23:34,990 --> 00:23:31,220
mind blown

554
00:23:38,020 --> 00:23:35,000
oh man that like that's incredible it's

555
00:23:40,780 --> 00:23:38,030
it is it's it's a recalibration after

556
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:40,790
you have one of these experiences and

557
00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:43,010
you know you're on your own personal

558
00:23:47,049 --> 00:23:44,870
journey with this and that's that's a

559
00:23:48,730 --> 00:23:47,059
feeling that none of us will ever feel

560
00:23:50,860 --> 00:23:48,740
we were not in your shoes we were not

561
00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:50,870
seeing it through your eyes but you had

562
00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:53,430
your own experience and that

563
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:56,790
that's what I love about this stuff is

564
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:59,340
no matter what you tell me you saw no

565
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:01,500
matter what a witness tells me what they

566
00:24:06,650 --> 00:24:04,170
saw I'm never gonna know what they felt

567
00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:06,660
or what they experienced or how it truly

568
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:08,790
changed their life and that's a journey

569
00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:11,490
I'm on - Lynne is just you know

570
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:13,920
interviewing as many people as I can and

571
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:16,530
just seeing how it affected them the

572
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:19,470
implication to having a UFO sighting a

573
00:24:25,220 --> 00:24:22,410
paranormal experience and what that can

574
00:24:27,290 --> 00:24:25,230
mean in terms of humanity - like

575
00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:27,300
collectively it's just it's exciting

576
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:29,750
that each person can have their own

577
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:32,370
personal disclosure of these things and

578
00:24:37,790 --> 00:24:35,220
move forward with their life maybe in a

579
00:24:39,170 --> 00:24:37,800
different way or maybe not I mean you

580
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:39,180
know I've spoken to many witnesses who

581
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:41,370
said yeah so I don't care doesn't bother

582
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:41,820
me

583
00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:45,240
moving on and that's totally fine

584
00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:48,300
like you can't force that on anyone and

585
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:49,620
I think that's the beauty of it too

586
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,410
like whatever lay at the source of these

587
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:54,480
things they will throw it in your face

588
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:56,250
kind of like they did with you you know

589
00:25:01,220 --> 00:24:58,410
stop you from that right now

590
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:01,230
you know reassess your life and start

591
00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:04,200
anew and I think that's really cool and

592
00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:06,260
that's that's kind of what you've done

593
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,320
but before we kind of get to the new

594
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:12,480
version the the born-again version of

595
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:16,710
you know mad as it if you will I'd love

596
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:20,010
to maybe reminisce about maybe one or

597
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:21,960
two of your favorite experiences from

598
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:24,330
the past version of you from that you

599
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:26,850
had some really interesting guests you

600
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:29,460
could kind of see the evolution of the

601
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:32,250
show and what it is today in the newer

602
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,810
version but is there are there any

603
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:35,700
experiences with the original version

604
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:37,140
that really stick out to us being like

605
00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:39,810
oh I am on the right track or oh this is

606
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:42,300
really cool I'm glad I did this anything

607
00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:44,460
really stick out to you I think in

608
00:25:49,220 --> 00:25:47,160
general you know I've referred to the

609
00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:49,230
the original series as sort of the

610
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:54,780
longest pilot ever you know I had I had

611
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:56,100
the freedom and the opportunity to

612
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,260
experiment with so many different

613
00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:00,480
formats while the audience followed

614
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:02,550
along with it that's what was like

615
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:04,260
amazing to me is that the audience

616
00:26:06,690 --> 00:26:05,970
followed along with all that stuff and

617
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,700
they grew as

618
00:26:12,570 --> 00:26:09,520
well and I was changing things left and

619
00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:12,580
right all the time um you know III at

620
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:14,830
points was very consistent with drop

621
00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,570
dates and I even went live at a point

622
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:20,950
but there were other times where I had

623
00:26:25,710 --> 00:26:24,010
to step back and I did not put out as

624
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:25,720
much but and and then I would switch it

625
00:26:30,930 --> 00:26:27,700
up and I would you know throw a radio

626
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:30,940
drama in or I would throw in a retelling

627
00:26:35,460 --> 00:26:33,730
like sort of investigation deal we did

628
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:35,470
some we did some awesome stuff with the

629
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,600
Newkirk's I think some of those episodes

630
00:26:45,630 --> 00:26:40,240
really stand out in terms of some of the

631
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:45,640
audio storytelling we did and I I think

632
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:48,130
any episode that gave me the chance to

633
00:26:53,790 --> 00:26:50,890
explore I really felt connected to any

634
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,800
of the dispatch episodes and any of the

635
00:26:59,010 --> 00:26:56,080
conversations where I was outside of the

636
00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:59,020
studio space which is my dining room

637
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:02,230
area and I was I was out of the field I

638
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:04,510
was talking to people and I was getting

639
00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:07,090
it as as many chances as possible to

640
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:09,790
essentially represent the environment I

641
00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:11,770
was in to the listener and make them

642
00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:14,560
feel like they were there so we did some

643
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:17,020
really fun stuff where we did a live

644
00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:21,250
show with Tim Rothschild and during this

645
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:25,000
live show it was essentially our our

646
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:26,760
road trip through the Cascade Mountains

647
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:29,530
we were coming back from this sort of

648
00:27:34,140 --> 00:27:32,140
journey you know in other parts of

649
00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:34,150
Washington State and it was a fun talk

650
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,350
and it was really cool but at the same

651
00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:37,840
time when we were playing it live we

652
00:27:43,910 --> 00:27:40,270
were also posting video photo other

653
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:43,920
resources elements at the same time and

654
00:27:51,650 --> 00:27:48,190
we had folks tweeting engaging calling

655
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:51,660
texting it was like this weird live

656
00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:53,890
paranormal jam band thing going on

657
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:55,630
between us and the audience and

658
00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:57,370
everything else and and it was at that

659
00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:00,130
moment I felt I felt like oh this is

660
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:02,440
just a fraction of probably like what

661
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,570
art bell felt like when he's doing these

662
00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:06,000
conversations they're going through

663
00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:09,070
middle of the night the fax machine is

664
00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:12,220
just overheating it's just shooting out

665
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:15,280
hundreds of pages a minute and he's

666
00:28:19,050 --> 00:28:17,530
answering calls and he's getting emails

667
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:19,060
on all these different things and I

668
00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:20,530
think that like sort of Visser

669
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:22,780
nature in connection that the show was

670
00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:25,090
able to provide sometimes was still

671
00:28:30,330 --> 00:28:28,360
leaves a very distinct feeling and and

672
00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:30,340
and it's sort of a residual like a I

673
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,350
want to go back to that at some point I

674
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:34,000
want to find a way to connect to the

675
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:35,470
audience in that in that sort of

676
00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:37,750
visceral way but her guests in certain

677
00:28:41,910 --> 00:28:40,390
moments it's kind of like I guess I've

678
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:41,920
been going so fast I haven't had a

679
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:44,350
chance to like sort of properly reflect

680
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:46,450
on some of those things but I but I

681
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,910
think any time we were able to just to

682
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:51,520
really feature the radio dramas and

683
00:28:56,790 --> 00:28:54,310
create a space where they were the

684
00:28:58,530 --> 00:28:56,800
highlighted piece were really my

685
00:29:01,620 --> 00:28:58,540
favorite some of my favorite moments

686
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,630
because I felt like it wasn't that that

687
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:03,760
we were able to communicate these

688
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:06,280
stories these real stories from folks in

689
00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:09,670
the most emotive earnest ways and that

690
00:29:15,030 --> 00:29:12,040
was always the goal from day one was to

691
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:15,040
feature Radio Diaries and radio stories

692
00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:18,130
every single show and then provide some

693
00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:19,950
sort of backfill in terms of information

694
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:22,390
whether it be an expert or another

695
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:25,210
experiencer and when we did that right I

696
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:27,910
felt like we did it really well yeah

697
00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:29,680
knocked it out of the park man those

698
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:31,660
were my favorite episodes and that's

699
00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:34,570
kind of why I'm so excited that you're

700
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:36,430
coming back because this is kind of the

701
00:29:41,460 --> 00:29:38,890
the approach you're taking now with a

702
00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:41,470
newer version which we'll get into but

703
00:29:46,110 --> 00:29:43,780
I'd love to know you know know that you

704
00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:46,120
from that is coming back you have a very

705
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:48,790
interesting company behind all this so

706
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:49,930
I'd love to hear could you tell us a

707
00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:51,970
little about gnomish hat what they do

708
00:29:56,430 --> 00:29:54,160
how you got involved with them yeah

709
00:29:59,700 --> 00:29:56,440
absolutely a gnomish hat is a parent

710
00:30:02,730 --> 00:29:59,710
company to several several creative

711
00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:02,740
projects one of them being this

712
00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:04,900
subscription box game called

713
00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:08,440
hunter-killer and it's like incredibly

714
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:09,700
fascinating what these guys have been

715
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:12,370
able to do and how much dedication and

716
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:15,010
sort of creative thought has been

717
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:18,750
invested into this super successful

718
00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:21,130
super successful game you you

719
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:24,220
essentially you're cents a box of clues

720
00:30:30,390 --> 00:30:27,970
and all this sort of fictionalized

721
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:30,400
material it looks authentic like a

722
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:32,950
hundred percent authentic and you you

723
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:34,090
put together this graph

724
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:36,340
man you put up you put up your board on

725
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:37,750
the wall yeah where you just have a

726
00:30:41,549 --> 00:30:39,730
button and you're connecting you know

727
00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:41,559
you're connecting the dots they've

728
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:43,900
created a really great system to engage

729
00:30:48,779 --> 00:30:46,570
folks online in terms like there's

730
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:48,789
community groups and secret message

731
00:30:54,659 --> 00:30:51,179
boards and all these really esoteric

732
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:54,669
ways of communication that allow folks

733
00:30:58,140 --> 00:30:57,010
to get to essentially complete these

734
00:31:00,690 --> 00:30:58,150
together

735
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:00,700
so it's very community oriented so yeah

736
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:02,650
so they so they have that going on and

737
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:05,080
now they are emerging into the podcast

738
00:31:10,049 --> 00:31:07,450
space and they come from a real a real

739
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:10,059
place with an authority to publish you

740
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,130
know they've been especially in terms of

741
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:14,320
this realm launching with something like

742
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:16,690
you format I think is brilliant because

743
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,070
that's a space they're familiar with

744
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:20,559
that's a space they respect and I think

745
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:23,590
it only is gonna grow from here in terms

746
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:25,390
of what we're gonna be able to you

747
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,630
together in collaboration and what may

748
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:31,120
lay next you know we're we're interested

749
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:33,820
in telling stories and in all different

750
00:31:39,450 --> 00:31:36,610
types of ways and being resonate with

751
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:39,460
that very much so and you know I respect

752
00:31:45,539 --> 00:31:42,730
their creativity and their business very

753
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:45,549
much so you foam at could not could not

754
00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:47,950
really be more excited it is a match

755
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:50,140
made in heaven for sure we're having but

756
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:54,940
a heaven but speak in a weird man I have

757
00:32:00,000 --> 00:31:57,370
to ask you know before we get into your

758
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:00,010
first couple episodes here your logo the

759
00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:02,409
new logo whoo that kind of blew people

760
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:05,350
away so interesting so how did that come

761
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:07,210
about what does that represent to you

762
00:32:12,210 --> 00:32:09,130
and what does it convey to your

763
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:12,220
listeners yes so it was very important

764
00:32:17,340 --> 00:32:14,470
to me that we we did do something

765
00:32:18,570 --> 00:32:17,350
different with the logo you look at you

766
00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:18,580
look at like sort of the market today

767
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:20,649
and you look at some of the stuff that

768
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:22,090
gimlet is doing and some of these are

769
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,950
their podcasts where you know it's it's

770
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,600
very important it's like it's your album

771
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:27,760
cover you know I mean it's uh it's it's

772
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,399
the first contact of your brand and your

773
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:32,799
content and your tone and your vibe and

774
00:32:36,779 --> 00:32:35,049
everything else with the audience in a

775
00:32:39,149 --> 00:32:36,789
lot of different ways so yeah I I

776
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:39,159
typically I typically design a lot of my

777
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:40,690
own stuff but this time I really wanted

778
00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:42,760
an outside resource I wanted to

779
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,950
collaborate with someone and I've been

780
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:46,240
following this work of this guy Simon

781
00:32:50,249 --> 00:32:47,440
March nur

782
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:50,259
he is a german graphic designer poster

783
00:32:55,259 --> 00:32:53,110
designer he's done work for some super

784
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,269
huge bands and some indie bands and and

785
00:33:00,869 --> 00:32:58,480
just does great um print gig posters and

786
00:33:03,210 --> 00:33:00,879
such and so i approached him with the

787
00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:03,220
notion of doing this and explained to

788
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:05,799
the show and it immediately resonated

789
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:09,519
with him he started to immediately sort

790
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:11,590
of craft some ideas and we landed on

791
00:33:16,019 --> 00:33:14,080
this idea of using them off the moss is

792
00:33:17,399 --> 00:33:16,029
interesting i think subconsciously for a

793
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:17,409
lot of different levels i think that

794
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:19,990
it's of course in a lot of regards a

795
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:23,049
nocturnal animal that is like compelled

796
00:33:28,409 --> 00:33:24,850
by the light and so i think even with

797
00:33:33,139 --> 00:33:28,419
the name you format which is like sort

798
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:33,149
of a is is sort of a word derived from a

799
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:35,769
euphemistic Baphomet you know like a

800
00:33:40,529 --> 00:33:38,830
polite devil um ok I've never asked you

801
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:40,539
that it's really you from this am on a

802
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:44,799
song yeah so it it it fits very well

803
00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:47,710
with the name itself on a base level but

804
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:50,740
I think that tales of transformation and

805
00:33:55,889 --> 00:33:53,590
using the symbol of the moth is is it

806
00:33:57,659 --> 00:33:55,899
resonates with that message so that's

807
00:33:59,730 --> 00:33:57,669
where a lot of that came from perfect

808
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:59,740
yeah I I couldn't think of a better a

809
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:02,159
better way to convey that that's so cool

810
00:34:07,889 --> 00:34:06,100
well let's sort of get to what your what

811
00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:07,899
the new version of you from that has to

812
00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:10,030
offer you you you spoke about real

813
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,040
stories like talking to these people

814
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:15,040
having their voices be a part of this

815
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,609
and I think that's the way to go focus

816
00:34:25,619 --> 00:34:21,520
on real people real stories and that

817
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,629
really came across with your one of your

818
00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:27,760
two premiere episodes here and that was

819
00:34:37,019 --> 00:34:33,299
holy hell man I listen to this this

820
00:34:39,329 --> 00:34:37,029
morning it was so incredible and creepy

821
00:34:42,749 --> 00:34:39,339
so what made you want to take this

822
00:34:44,819 --> 00:34:42,759
approach with with the show and kind of

823
00:34:47,789 --> 00:34:44,829
in specific with this episode possession

824
00:34:49,710 --> 00:34:47,799
well I think in general what draws me to

825
00:34:51,749 --> 00:34:49,720
using radio stories to illustrate these

826
00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:51,759
stories it's you know they haven't been

827
00:34:56,989 --> 00:34:53,740
done this way we haven't heard a lot of

828
00:35:00,900 --> 00:34:56,999
these supernatural paranormal

829
00:35:04,140 --> 00:35:00,910
experiences told in that form with those

830
00:35:06,299 --> 00:35:04,150
voices with that level of sort of

831
00:35:08,789 --> 00:35:06,309
production finesse and tone applied to

832
00:35:11,489 --> 00:35:08,799
it there's folks that have done pieces

833
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:11,499
and have started a new pieces in this in

834
00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:13,569
this way but back when we first started

835
00:35:18,569 --> 00:35:15,460
experimenting with in the show it really

836
00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:18,579
it wasn't done right so it was important

837
00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:21,910
for me to continue doing that in a very

838
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:25,630
almost cinematic way like sonically it

839
00:35:30,839 --> 00:35:28,210
should feel like a film like you're

840
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:30,849
watching a documentary or a science

841
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,220
fiction film or a horror film so that's

842
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:36,160
the tone we want to establish is is is

843
00:35:42,479 --> 00:35:38,950
leaning into cinema and theater of the

844
00:35:46,979 --> 00:35:42,489
mind secondly you know I'm a big fan of

845
00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:46,989
where radio producers you know get their

846
00:35:55,789 --> 00:35:51,190
ideas and their sort of ideas from and

847
00:35:58,979 --> 00:35:55,799
their process of connecting real

848
00:36:02,579 --> 00:35:58,989
humanistic stories to extraordinary

849
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,589
events and that's one thing that that we

850
00:36:08,009 --> 00:36:05,680
really focus in on is really connecting

851
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:08,019
the human stories you know to such

852
00:36:14,999 --> 00:36:11,160
things as you know UFO encounters or

853
00:36:18,059 --> 00:36:15,009
exorcisms or you know hauntings it's

854
00:36:20,759 --> 00:36:18,069
important to us that whenever we find

855
00:36:24,779 --> 00:36:20,769
stories the the event the experience is

856
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:24,789
one thing but it's never enough okay so

857
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:27,910
my dad bought this house in the 70s were

858
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:31,390
in Eagle Rock California he met my mom

859
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:33,849
here in Eagle Rock and been living here

860
00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:35,430
ever since

861
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:38,550
he documented things meticulously

862
00:36:42,990 --> 00:36:41,170
meticulously like books he's read music

863
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:43,000
events that have happened things that

864
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:44,290
have happened in the neighborhood on the

865
00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:47,080
street interactions with neighbors ya

866
00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:50,830
know it's almost almost to a ridiculous

867
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:52,540
amount and I didn't appreciate it until

868
00:36:58,930 --> 00:36:53,310
he passed away

869
00:37:02,690 --> 00:36:58,940
[Music]

870
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:02,700
so my dad passed away about three four

871
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:06,540
weeks ago so very very recently so we've

872
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:09,360
just begun to go through his things

873
00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:12,330
barely like we've just started but

874
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:14,790
through going through his things we came

875
00:37:19,930 --> 00:37:17,630
across one notebook titled

876
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:19,940
the exorcism

877
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:27,010
[Music]

878
00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:32,830
so it says exorcism the date 722 2011

879
00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:36,350
says I made a police oh my gosh dad I

880
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:40,340
can't read your handwriting I made it a

881
00:37:46,090 --> 00:37:43,610
policy many many years ago to never

882
00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:46,100
interrupt an exorcism okay so I should

883
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:48,260
just stop here then my dad had a sense

884
00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:52,460
of humor which is why okay so I should

885
00:37:55,720 --> 00:37:54,380
back up I don't think a lot of people's

886
00:38:02,050 --> 00:37:55,730
natural reaction would be to like

887
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:02,060
document it to this extent so I can keep

888
00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:06,080
going that is why I called the LAPD a

889
00:38:15,069 --> 00:38:09,500
couple of nights ago to do my dirty work

890
00:38:22,839 --> 00:38:19,779
part-1 12:00 midnight 21250 IM wife and

891
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:22,849
i are sleeping in bad window.open about

892
00:38:30,219 --> 00:38:27,249
6-inches a woman begins screeching a

893
00:38:39,759 --> 00:38:30,229
guttural sound and then it would go

894
00:38:42,029 --> 00:38:39,769
quiet and then i could hear water as if

895
00:38:44,469 --> 00:38:42,039
someone was being dunked in the bathtub

896
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:44,479
there would be a low growl sometimes

897
00:38:55,329 --> 00:38:53,140
something about being scared he was

898
00:38:59,470 --> 00:38:55,339
scared I was scared at coming upon a

899
00:39:03,040 --> 00:38:59,480
creature he's talking about getting

900
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:03,050
goose bumps which is interesting to me

901
00:39:06,970 --> 00:39:04,490
because it's it's really it's really

902
00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:06,980
it's weird hearing about how he felt

903
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:10,790
about it because I think like you know

904
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:12,950
he's my dad you know he's never scared

905
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,510
of anything and the fact that he's

906
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:16,160
writing about getting goose bumps and

907
00:39:21,099 --> 00:39:18,170
like thinking that this was like a

908
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:21,109
really scary thing and also him being

909
00:39:24,309 --> 00:39:22,730
like an atheist I mean this is something

910
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:24,319
that he felt very strongly about he

911
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:26,210
doesn't even he doesn't believe in that

912
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:27,710
kind of thing

913
00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:35,550
so he talks here about more about to the

914
00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:38,920
woman saying push it push harder or

915
00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:40,630
something are the demons or the spirits

916
00:40:01,360 --> 00:39:43,300
leaving the woman I thought to myself

917
00:40:05,180 --> 00:40:01,370
[\h__\h] this [\h__\h] and I called my god dad

918
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:07,260
we're looking for that human element

919
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:08,760
we're looking for that connection

920
00:40:15,090 --> 00:40:12,490
whether that's transformation or however

921
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:15,100
it goes back to some fundamental story

922
00:40:19,610 --> 00:40:17,500
elements right like you're a student of

923
00:40:21,930 --> 00:40:19,620
theater you understand that in scripts

924
00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:21,940
you're you're going on the hero's

925
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:23,860
journey and there's you know there's

926
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:26,020
challenges and and ultimately there's

927
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:28,390
transformation perhaps or there's not

928
00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:30,670
whatever there's there's there's an arc

929
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,030
and it's really important for us to find

930
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:35,920
those characters for those for those

931
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:39,010
people and find those stories and that's

932
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:41,770
honestly it it won't be as big of a

933
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:45,070
challenge as it seems because everyone

934
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:47,230
has a story like this I'm sure you

935
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:49,210
encounter it everyone has a story like

936
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:51,400
this they may not remember it right away

937
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:53,860
but if you're talking to someone back to

938
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:56,560
their mind it invariably always pops up

939
00:40:58,980 --> 00:40:58,390
oh yeah I did have this thing that I

940
00:41:02,640 --> 00:40:58,990
can't explain

941
00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:02,650
oh yeah oh my uncle like you know had

942
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,510
this this and this so within their own

943
00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:06,640
selves or within their lineage or with

944
00:41:12,030 --> 00:41:09,100
difference these are currencies these

945
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:12,040
unknown experiences this anomalous

946
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:15,400
activity really does touch us in a much

947
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:17,830
broader way than just culture ism it

948
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:20,470
like touches us in a personal way and so

949
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:22,570
our hope is to just really mind those

950
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:24,970
stories and find those fascinating

951
00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:27,310
voices and do it in a very tasteful

952
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:29,830
refined way as well it's very important

953
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:31,390
that we're not playing Halloween music

954
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:33,520
right like it's very important that we

955
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:36,730
we you know come from a place of respect

956
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:39,190
you know as a member of this community

957
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:42,250
myself you know why do you like we can't

958
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:44,110
characterize it in that way anymore you

959
00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:45,170
know it doesn't do

960
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:47,750
a service absolutely man and I mean that

961
00:41:52,059 --> 00:41:50,420
respect is there even in this this

962
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,069
episode possession where you spoke to a

963
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:54,319
young woman you know weeks after her

964
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:56,089
father passed away I mean how much more

965
00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:57,530
vulnerable can you get it

966
00:42:03,609 --> 00:42:00,500
in terms of interviewing someone who had

967
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:03,619
a strange esoteric paranormal youthful

968
00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:06,079
aaja chol experience it's crazy and I

969
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:08,119
think that's what connected me

970
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:10,790
immediately to this this structure

971
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:12,920
you're doing everyone does have a story

972
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:15,200
to tell no matter how crazy it may sound

973
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:18,140
no matter how life-altering or not

974
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,240
life-altering it is it's going to

975
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,920
resonate with someone in a way that they

976
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:23,839
may never expect it and you may not as

977
00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:26,990
well so I think that's really cool the

978
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:28,520
way you're doing this and how it's going

979
00:42:32,799 --> 00:42:29,839
to connect to people in very different

980
00:42:34,539 --> 00:42:32,809
ways thank you and you know it's it's an

981
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:34,549
opportunity to bring new voices into the

982
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:36,290
fold that have different perspectives

983
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,450
that the story you're mentioning was

984
00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:40,400
produced by James Kim and Robert gurova

985
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:43,220
and there's these fantastic story

986
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:46,010
producers based out of LA have

987
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:49,210
contributed works to public public media

988
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:51,530
for years now and creating some of the

989
00:42:56,289 --> 00:42:53,930
most kind of like groundbreaking radio

990
00:42:57,789 --> 00:42:56,299
stories there are and they also have an

991
00:42:59,620 --> 00:42:57,799
interest in telling these type of

992
00:43:01,390 --> 00:42:59,630
stories but they are not within the

993
00:43:03,309 --> 00:43:01,400
community and that's what's fascinating

994
00:43:05,319 --> 00:43:03,319
the main interesting to me about this

995
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:05,329
whole project is that there are a lot of

996
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:07,369
great storytellers that have an interest

997
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:10,730
or a fondness to this material that have

998
00:43:17,319 --> 00:43:14,720
not spun out that essentially are able

999
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,329
to sort of keep a human grounded

1000
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,000
perspective but to tell these stories in

1001
00:43:25,180 --> 00:43:22,400
new ways and that's our opportunity here

1002
00:43:27,549 --> 00:43:25,190
I I couldn't think of a better way to

1003
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:27,559
get in outside perspective with this

1004
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:30,410
skillset of telling a story to really

1005
00:43:34,420 --> 00:43:32,329
give the respect to the witness or

1006
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:34,430
experience their that they deserve other

1007
00:43:40,359 --> 00:43:36,710
than just you know like you said just

1008
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:40,369
this date it happened weird moving on so

1009
00:43:46,059 --> 00:43:44,030
well yeah that's great but we really

1010
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:46,069
like within our community we live within

1011
00:43:50,289 --> 00:43:47,599
an echo chamber and that's not

1012
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:50,299
dissimilar to any other sort of niche

1013
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:52,040
community you know for lack of better

1014
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:54,770
terms that's that's that's everywhere

1015
00:43:58,720 --> 00:43:56,450
that's every sort of industry that's

1016
00:43:59,950 --> 00:43:58,730
every sort of community but

1017
00:44:03,040 --> 00:43:59,960
thing is important that we don't

1018
00:44:04,810 --> 00:44:03,050
ostracize and we don't exclude those

1019
00:44:06,580 --> 00:44:04,820
others that that may have different

1020
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:06,590
perspectives that may not even believe

1021
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:08,810
any of the [\h__\h] at all but have some

1022
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:10,550
sort of interest you know have some sort

1023
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:13,160
of notion that they can contribute or a

1024
00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:15,500
story that they want to share and to

1025
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:17,420
really open it up into a comfortable

1026
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:19,760
space where we have this opportunity I

1027
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,710
think especially per you know sort of

1028
00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:23,359
folks are age they're like sort of at

1029
00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:25,340
the end of that millennial boom right

1030
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:29,780
that we we look at disseminating

1031
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:31,310
informations about ourselves especially

1032
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:33,220
personal things in a much different way

1033
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:37,550
we're in one sense more private yeah the

1034
00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:40,430
same like much more exposed and we

1035
00:44:45,370 --> 00:44:42,440
actually leave much more of our emotion

1036
00:44:47,410 --> 00:44:45,380
exposed I think then generations in the

1037
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:47,420
past we're very open to share her

1038
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,090
opinions we were very open to share

1039
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:51,680
what's really kind of in our heart and I

1040
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,750
think that you see that like sort of

1041
00:44:58,330 --> 00:44:56,000
represented in like sort of this new

1042
00:45:02,980 --> 00:44:58,340
spiritualism community right like the

1043
00:45:05,290 --> 00:45:02,990
new yoga EDM mysticism kick right yeah

1044
00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:05,300
it's you know it's revisiting these

1045
00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:09,500
these old platforms in terms of building

1046
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:10,790
community through some of these thoughts

1047
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:12,500
but I think we have an opportunity to

1048
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:15,920
now tell those stories in a more rich in

1049
00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:18,890
throwing away in an honest way without

1050
00:45:23,099 --> 00:45:21,859
any of the shade they would formerly be

1051
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:23,109
attributed to it

1052
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:26,359
exactly and you mentioned spiritualism

1053
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:27,770
and that's something I want to get into

1054
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:30,710
you hear in a moment here Jim is in one

1055
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:32,420
of your original episodes you

1056
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:34,670
interviewed Carl Pfeiffer that

1057
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:37,850
paranormal investigator and I was so

1058
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:40,070
enthralled by the stories he was telling

1059
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:42,200
I had to have him on my show of course

1060
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:45,260
during the Halloween season yeah but

1061
00:45:49,900 --> 00:45:47,720
what we talked about towards the end of

1062
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:49,910
our conversation a lot was this idea of

1063
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:52,670
science and spiritualism and that's

1064
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,320
something you kind of tackle in your

1065
00:45:59,920 --> 00:45:56,480
premier episode here of beyond the veil

1066
00:46:01,780 --> 00:45:59,930
and I'd love to that idea of the veil

1067
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,790
with you you and I have talked about

1068
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,400
this in the past and you'd been telling

1069
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:06,560
me about this idea of a vamping you know

1070
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:09,470
quite thing in the past as opposed to

1071
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:11,060
today and you brought up the name John

1072
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,530
Dee someone I'd never

1073
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:15,200
really heard of so I'd love if maybe

1074
00:46:18,670 --> 00:46:16,850
just for a few moments here we you could

1075
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:18,680
tell us a little about John and this

1076
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:21,470
whole idea of science verse spiritualism

1077
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:24,650
I firstly am so excited that you don't

1078
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:27,250
have very much familiarity with them

1079
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:31,040
because I can invite that I love you

1080
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:32,720
know just the other night I started

1081
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:34,490
going on about this I'm talking like

1082
00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:36,530
just just a preface I am NOT an expert

1083
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:38,780
at John Dee you know there's some other

1084
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:41,810
great resources that I'll mention but

1085
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,350
just having a really late dinner with

1086
00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:46,880
some folks that started to ask a little

1087
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:48,320
bit of questions that I'm sure you've

1088
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,670
had this have you had this experience

1089
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:52,640
where you're like sort of catfished into

1090
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:55,310
divulging a little bit more trippy stuff

1091
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:57,140
than what there may be ready for have

1092
00:46:59,980 --> 00:46:58,610
you had that experience where they ask

1093
00:47:01,960 --> 00:46:59,990
leading questions and they start going

1094
00:47:05,770 --> 00:47:01,970
into something and that gets way too

1095
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,780
deep too quick oh yeah I never in my

1096
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:07,520
life have I experienced that more than

1097
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:09,650
when I moved here to LA because they

1098
00:47:14,350 --> 00:47:13,010
embrace this stuff so much why the hell

1099
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:14,360
I'm moving back to New York City I

1100
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:17,720
couldn't tell you but yes experience

1101
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:20,450
where like it just it's like it's like a

1102
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:22,850
full-on car crash where what goes from

1103
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:25,340
zero to 80 immediately and and it's

1104
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,720
great like if you you come out on the

1105
00:47:30,580 --> 00:47:27,920
other side and you guys are like well

1106
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,590
that was that was cool but sometimes and

1107
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:31,760
this like this conversation the other

1108
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:34,370
night was like oh this I don't know

1109
00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:35,990
where I want to go with this

1110
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:37,640
that was their reaction we don't know

1111
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:39,290
what we want to do with this information

1112
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:42,230
so yeah good times but uh you know

1113
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:45,050
essentially before I like share anything

1114
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:49,130
with John Dee and particularly your your

1115
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:50,750
question about like what what I think in

1116
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:52,520
regards to this thinning of the veil

1117
00:47:58,330 --> 00:47:56,060
jasonlew does he did a great book John

1118
00:48:00,880 --> 00:47:58,340
Dee in the Empire of Angels really

1119
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:00,890
fascinating book about John Dee and and

1120
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:04,370
his his cultural effects but you know

1121
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:06,350
like some way someone actually say the

1122
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:08,540
relationship between the occult and

1123
00:48:14,530 --> 00:48:11,450
science is is strong right now actually

1124
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:14,540
there are kind of forces outside of the

1125
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:16,310
mainstream narrative perhaps that are

1126
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:19,550
perhaps covertly or unknowingly using a

1127
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:22,010
cult technique or information while

1128
00:48:25,770 --> 00:48:23,900
practicing scientific method right now

1129
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:25,780
and engineering

1130
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:28,150
some would say things like CERN like

1131
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:31,270
d-wave quantum computing things like

1132
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:33,610
that is are actually an expression of

1133
00:48:38,820 --> 00:48:36,670
that are actually expression of a cold

1134
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:38,830
engineering you know and in the most

1135
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:40,630
recent past you know there's been

1136
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,750
pioneering forces and science technology

1137
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:46,240
rockets weaponry that have been

1138
00:48:50,130 --> 00:48:48,100
completely immersed in magic and the

1139
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:50,140
occult and many would kind of say that

1140
00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:52,330
greater than that greater than Deanna's

1141
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:55,120
early contemporaries even in terms of

1142
00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:57,010
how far they went but essentially John

1143
00:49:02,430 --> 00:48:59,410
Dee he was we have to go back to the

1144
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:02,440
sixteenth century to the Elizabeth II

1145
00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:05,470
and age and that was a time that you

1146
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,060
know when I was mentioning this earlier

1147
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:09,040
it was kind of in response to this

1148
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:11,050
because that was that was sort of a time

1149
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,200
where science and magic intersected even

1150
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:16,480
for scientists at the time d he was a

1151
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,210
Cambridge educated scientist he was

1152
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:22,000
Queen Elizabeth one scientific adviser

1153
00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:24,730
she kind of relied on him mostly for his

1154
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:27,220
skill in math he was a he was a expert

1155
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:30,190
mathematician but he was also he was

1156
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:31,930
also the definition of a Renaissance man

1157
00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:35,350
he provided astrology he consulted on

1158
00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:37,420
mapmaking in which actually really

1159
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:39,550
allowed the British Empire its conquest

1160
00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:42,070
was a direct result of sort of his

1161
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:44,320
consult through the mapmaking deal was

1162
00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:46,290
also he was the real double-oh-seven

1163
00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:50,140
he coined that name for himself as he he

1164
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:52,060
at the time he like helped create the

1165
00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:54,010
first network of spies and code breakers

1166
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:56,320
and he several times he thwarted

1167
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,450
attempts by the Catholics to determine

1168
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:00,880
the Queen so he did all this but he was

1169
00:50:04,770 --> 00:50:02,710
essentially he's essentially been left

1170
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:04,780
out of history and science books because

1171
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:07,390
in addition to all of his work within

1172
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:10,270
this realm the occult was intimately

1173
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:13,290
woven together with his investigations

1174
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:15,250
whether it be through religion

1175
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:18,370
mathematics Natural Science etc the

1176
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,110
occult was like sort of ever-present and

1177
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:22,000
all that stuff

1178
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:24,040
and it's because Dee claimed to speak to

1179
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:27,400
angels and so like Dee like other

1180
00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:30,610
scientists at that time he used the

1181
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,140
occult as a way of gaining insight in

1182
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:35,200
the world right so it was still it was

1183
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,450
still controversial but very much less

1184
00:50:41,220 --> 00:50:39,520
so than now import

1185
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:41,230
like whatever the mainstream narrative

1186
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:44,290
was of the day it was common and this

1187
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,450
was before this was before the modern

1188
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:48,880
Western methodology had taken shape so

1189
00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:51,580
before the scientific method had really

1190
00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:53,830
created that stronghold in terms of how

1191
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,830
we view the world at this time the that

1192
00:51:01,890 --> 00:50:58,720
sort of for lack of better words the

1193
00:51:03,570 --> 00:51:01,900
tale of the tape yeah didn't didn't

1194
00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:03,580
indicate whether we were gonna go the

1195
00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:06,670
way of D which was magic and science and

1196
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:08,620
ritualism communication with the other

1197
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:11,260
side or if it was gonna go like with

1198
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:14,260
Francis Bacon who you know created the

1199
00:51:18,270 --> 00:51:15,790
scientific method and they were you know

1200
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:18,280
sort of contemporaries so we didn't know

1201
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:19,960
which way that was gonna go and there

1202
00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:22,840
was all used at the same time so at that

1203
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:25,510
time the the veil in regards the veil

1204
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:27,910
the separation between us and the other

1205
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:31,360
was was much thinner and our acceptance

1206
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:33,850
was granted for that and the allowance

1207
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:36,250
to discover methodology or secrets that

1208
00:51:42,570 --> 00:51:38,890
were left in ancient texts that was like

1209
00:51:45,570 --> 00:51:42,580
sort of the main calling point D had one

1210
00:51:49,050 --> 00:51:45,580
of the largest libraries in Europe at

1211
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:49,060
that time and his angelic communication

1212
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:52,120
with a koltes Edward Kelly was born

1213
00:51:57,450 --> 00:51:54,850
through alchemy investigation they at

1214
00:51:59,070 --> 00:51:57,460
some point they assumed quite regarded

1215
00:52:02,070 --> 00:51:59,080
to begin communicating with these

1216
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:02,080
angelic beings who essentially imparted

1217
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:04,840
them a language the same language used

1218
00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:07,510
by Adam and Eve so imagine that you're

1219
00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:10,630
dipping your toes into this you are the

1220
00:52:16,110 --> 00:52:13,000
chief scientist for Elizabeth the first

1221
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:16,120
and you're also unlocking a secret

1222
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,430
language then this language would

1223
00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:21,520
essentially unlock secrets from the Book

1224
00:52:27,570 --> 00:52:24,520
of Enoch allegedly so that that's the

1225
00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:27,580
story of D you know all that all that to

1226
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:29,590
be said that there's this other entire

1227
00:52:37,230 --> 00:52:33,370
angle which is that Kelly was a conman D

1228
00:52:39,450 --> 00:52:37,240
was just after gold and sex naturally in

1229
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:39,460
a both yeah

1230
00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:41,710
and they both they both sort of died

1231
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:44,430
unceremoniously and not the most ideal

1232
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:47,910
conditions but these journals contained

1233
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:51,370
the Enochian script and the tables of

1234
00:52:55,859 --> 00:52:52,930
Correspondence that's

1235
00:52:57,900 --> 00:52:55,869
that that went along with it and they

1236
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:57,910
really did believe that their visions at

1237
00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:00,160
least what they reported they really

1238
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:02,440
believe their visions was giving them

1239
00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:05,020
access to secrets contained in the Book

1240
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:07,540
of Enoch but D really was a man at the

1241
00:53:11,790 --> 00:53:09,430
time his viewpoint and work sort of

1242
00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:11,800
mixed he sort of mixed facts and fiction

1243
00:53:17,609 --> 00:53:13,780
to make things like astronomy and

1244
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:17,619
astrology work together and to also help

1245
00:53:21,809 --> 00:53:19,750
snoop out enemies of the state which

1246
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:21,819
kind of makes me think of Tom DeLonge a

1247
00:53:27,569 --> 00:53:25,270
little bit I was just gonna say that Wow

1248
00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:27,579
you know there's like this yeah there's

1249
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:29,980
this weird kind of thing going on but

1250
00:53:36,089 --> 00:53:33,280
you know essentially their work inspired

1251
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:36,099
Rosicrucians the Hermetic order of the

1252
00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:38,770
Golden Dawn you know some of these some

1253
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:40,780
of these hermetic orders from around the

1254
00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:43,260
world and one of the most interesting

1255
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:45,940
influences for me personally that I've

1256
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:48,160
been learning about is the inspiration

1257
00:53:52,579 --> 00:53:49,599
on guys like Jack Parsons and ron

1258
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:52,589
Hubbard and their babble on working

1259
00:53:57,980 --> 00:53:55,390
experiments and pulling directly from

1260
00:54:00,990 --> 00:53:57,990
the Enochian texts to put together

1261
00:54:04,289 --> 00:54:01,000
really these really these Enochian

1262
00:54:06,750 --> 00:54:04,299
rituals that the Enochian himself

1263
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:06,760
allegedly had told Dee to not

1264
00:54:12,299 --> 00:54:09,790
participate in but to just kind of make

1265
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:12,309
record of so a lot of these like very

1266
00:54:16,410 --> 00:54:14,890
strange kind of sex magic rituals and

1267
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:16,420
stuff that that they were uncovering in

1268
00:54:21,089 --> 00:54:19,569
these texts allegedly they Kelly and II

1269
00:54:23,339 --> 00:54:21,099
didn't even participate in they were

1270
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:23,349
like no we're just like gonna write it

1271
00:54:26,370 --> 00:54:25,450
down with you know we're just gonna talk

1272
00:54:29,549 --> 00:54:26,380
to the Angels

1273
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,559
we're not gonna be you know sharing our

1274
00:54:35,819 --> 00:54:32,079
seed with like tablets and stuff which

1275
00:54:37,710 --> 00:54:35,829
is a thing I guess but guys like Jack

1276
00:54:40,289 --> 00:54:37,720
Parsons the founder of Jet Propulsion

1277
00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:40,299
Laboratory one of the inventors of

1278
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,270
modern weaponry he did I guess him and

1279
00:54:47,339 --> 00:54:45,520
Hubbard were all about it yeah so they

1280
00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:47,349
were they were out in the Mojave messing

1281
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:49,390
around with that stuff and so you know

1282
00:54:53,609 --> 00:54:50,770
in addition to that you know more

1283
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:53,619
recently a guy like Anthony patch who's

1284
00:54:59,730 --> 00:54:56,079
this fantastic writer I've talked to him

1285
00:55:02,400 --> 00:54:59,740
several times he he has it in his ideas

1286
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:02,410
that like all this relates to CERN do

1287
00:55:06,089 --> 00:55:04,569
you way of computing and and is is very

1288
00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:06,099
fundamental and

1289
00:55:11,519 --> 00:55:08,200
some of these organizations and some of

1290
00:55:13,890 --> 00:55:11,529
these non mainstream entities that are

1291
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:13,900
in facts propelling some of the most

1292
00:55:18,299 --> 00:55:15,910
cutting-edge science and technology but

1293
00:55:20,849 --> 00:55:18,309
also have their foot as firmly placed in

1294
00:55:22,829 --> 00:55:20,859
the occult as anyone ever I mean look at

1295
00:55:25,319 --> 00:55:22,839
like the opening ceremony is when it's

1296
00:55:28,859 --> 00:55:25,329
earned like the same around oh my god

1297
00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:28,869
dude it was terrifying yeah yeah all the

1298
00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:31,900
occult imagery and oh man knowing then

1299
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:33,670
what to expect from them oh absolutely

1300
00:55:38,819 --> 00:55:36,970
and and even you know after that you

1301
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:38,829
know the weird videos and stuff like

1302
00:55:46,349 --> 00:55:43,089
that of rituals that that were purported

1303
00:55:48,539 --> 00:55:46,359
to be hoaxes and all these you know but

1304
00:55:50,819 --> 00:55:48,549
we're captured by like sort of official

1305
00:55:53,099 --> 00:55:50,829
cameras I think all of these things they

1306
00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:53,109
really do they blur that line between

1307
00:55:59,880 --> 00:55:55,779
fact and fiction and that's a very de I

1308
00:56:03,059 --> 00:55:59,890
guess that's Saudi as what I think

1309
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:03,069
that'll be my new podcast that's so so

1310
00:56:08,759 --> 00:56:05,710
it's very interesting and in it I think

1311
00:56:10,349 --> 00:56:08,769
does relate very much to what we're

1312
00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:10,359
experiencing right now especially in

1313
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:13,660
terms of the recent information that has

1314
00:56:20,099 --> 00:56:16,329
come out in regards to you know

1315
00:56:22,049 --> 00:56:20,109
anomalous aerial activity etc and it's

1316
00:56:25,339 --> 00:56:22,059
gonna be interesting to see how much

1317
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:25,349
further some of these you know alleged

1318
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:28,859
purported forces blend fact and fiction

1319
00:56:34,529 --> 00:56:31,839
blends whatever they're working on with

1320
00:56:36,569 --> 00:56:34,539
a more mainstream narrative and you know

1321
00:56:38,969 --> 00:56:36,579
what all this means you know so it's

1322
00:56:41,249 --> 00:56:38,979
kind of a head trip it is man and I know

1323
00:56:43,709 --> 00:56:41,259
you're gonna be tackling all of that

1324
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:43,719
what what do you have coming up next for

1325
00:56:48,089 --> 00:56:45,670
the show you dropped these two surprised

1326
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,099
episodes on us blew my mind what's

1327
00:56:52,589 --> 00:56:50,319
coming next for you from that well so

1328
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:52,599
we're working on our full slate of radio

1329
00:56:57,059 --> 00:56:55,210
stories right now we have some I'd say

1330
00:56:59,579 --> 00:56:57,069
we have a really great mix of unheard

1331
00:57:00,959 --> 00:56:59,589
voices and then voices that are gonna be

1332
00:57:03,059 --> 00:57:00,969
more familiar to people with the

1333
00:57:05,940 --> 00:57:03,069
community and then even people within

1334
00:57:08,099 --> 00:57:05,950
entertainment and so I think it's

1335
00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:08,109
important to have a great spread of

1336
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,660
these more familiar voices and then

1337
00:57:13,739 --> 00:57:12,400
voices that are like you know this could

1338
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:13,749
be my friend from next door

1339
00:57:17,219 --> 00:57:15,729
and we have some very excited we have

1340
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:17,229
some very exciting stories in those

1341
00:57:22,110 --> 00:57:19,930
regards we are covering

1342
00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:22,120
some of the some of the standards in a

1343
00:57:25,620 --> 00:57:24,040
new way I think some of these stories

1344
00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:25,630
that we've been exposed to that we've

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heard we're gonna be covering those in a

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00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:29,350
new way and of course right now it's

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it's a it's a matter of digging through

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00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:34,000
material digging for those stories and

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one of I mean I love talking with you in

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:40,210
this episode and I hope one of the like

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sort of the benefits of this selfishly

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00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:45,430
is that folks will reach out and want to

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00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:47,170
tell their story on you from that so if

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they have an experience if they have a

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00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:51,960
story they want to tell that you know

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00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:55,570
its esoteric in nature that's

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00:57:58,890 --> 00:57:57,430
supernatural that has changed their

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00:58:01,680 --> 00:57:58,900
lives there's touched them that's

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00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:01,690
unexpected let us know at the show right

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00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:03,370
absolutely where can they reach you for

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00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:05,470
that they can reach me directly Jim at

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00:58:10,350 --> 00:58:08,830
you fo met calm and we're at you from Ed

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00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:10,360
on any of the social channels and they

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00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:12,610
can reach out there as well awesome and

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I know you also you have a survey up on

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00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:17,200
the website too so that people can help

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00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:19,270
sort of shape and mold the show with you

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00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:21,370
as you go along on the journey which i

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00:58:25,830 --> 00:58:22,810
think is a really cool opportunity as

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00:58:27,870 --> 00:58:25,840
well you know it's we want the listener

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00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:27,880
to help shape this show we want their

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00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:29,410
feedback because this is this is a

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00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:31,840
different type of show but this type of

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00:58:38,460 --> 00:58:35,640
material being displayed so intimately

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00:58:40,860 --> 00:58:38,470
has has never been done in this way and

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00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:40,870
so we know that it's not going to be

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00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:42,580
perfect right out of the gate we know

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00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:44,560
that there's gonna be changes that we

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00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:46,780
can make to make the experience even

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00:58:50,850 --> 00:58:48,310
better because we're just getting

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00:58:53,130 --> 00:58:50,860
started and so that was very important

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00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:53,140
for for you from init to put that out

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00:58:57,900 --> 00:58:55,300
there to solicit some feedback to

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00:59:00,690 --> 00:58:57,910
solicit some ideas because they you know

1385
00:59:02,670 --> 00:59:00,700
ideas come everywhere and our listener

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00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:02,680
base especially the ones have been along

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00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:05,680
for the ride so far know me more than I

1388
00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:07,480
even give them credit for I think I

1389
00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:10,750
think that we've had years and years and

1390
00:59:15,570 --> 00:59:12,820
years of sort of being friends through

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00:59:19,230 --> 00:59:15,580
this show and so I'm really hoping those

1392
00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:19,240
fool folks as well as new listeners you

1393
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,920
know kind of lean over give me a nudge

1394
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:23,040
you know let me know what they think and

1395
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:26,380
how we can improve the show or if it's

1396
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:28,210
just perfect already and we just need to

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00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,460
make more get only dream yet

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00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:35,680
your your ambition and your dedication

1399
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:38,140
has always impressed me and that's why

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I've been there since the beginning and

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00:59:44,820 --> 00:59:42,640
I can't wait to see what comes next in

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00:59:47,370 --> 00:59:44,830
that intimacy you spoke of that

1403
00:59:49,470 --> 00:59:47,380
resonates with me as a playwright you

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00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:49,480
know and just as a human being more than

1405
00:59:53,730 --> 00:59:51,640
anything is getting to know people on

1406
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:53,740
such a visceral level through these

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00:59:59,070 --> 00:59:56,650
weird weird experiences in their life I

1408
01:00:02,040 --> 00:59:59,080
can't imagine a better premise for a

1409
01:00:05,490 --> 01:00:02,050
show so everyone please check out you

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01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:05,500
from that you've met calm and Jim thank

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01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:07,450
you so much brother for coming on today

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01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:09,369
and I can't wait to see what comes next

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01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,650
thank you so much for having me Ryan I

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01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,599
appreciate and I look forward to our our

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01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:15,760
adventures to come my friend they've

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01:00:19,380 --> 01:00:17,650
only begun alright that's it for this

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01:00:21,900 --> 01:00:19,390
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01:01:11,010 --> 01:01:08,650
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01:01:17,170 --> 01:01:11,560
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